A little bit of a sequel to the Kalevanpojat writing. As you can imagine from that post, the topic is very complicated and has a lot of unclarities to it. Now, I'd like to talk about two figures, Kave and Tursas. Who might be Kaleva himself. Or then not. They might even be multiple different creatures.
What is a kave? Who is Kave?The word "kave" itself means a creature, especially those who cause the waxing and waning of the Moon. It has been also used in more... unclear contexts for multiple kinds of creatures. For example, "Kave woman, daughter of nature" is asked to help a woman during childbirth.
What I want to talk about, however, is specifically the mention of Kave which leads us to Tursas, another creature.
An old poem states (from old Savonia and Ostrobothnia regions):
| Kave ukko pohjan Herra, | Kave man Lord of the North, |
| Ikäinen iku Turilas | Ever Eternal Turilas, |
| Isä vanha Väinämöisen, | Old father of Väinämöinen, |
| Makais äitinsä kohdusa | Lied in his mother's womb |
| Kolme kymmendä keseä; | For thirty summers; |
| Ikävystyi aikojaan, | Eventually got bored, |
| Oudostui elämitään; | Grew strange to his life; |
| Vijlaisi äitinsä kohdun, | Slit his mother's womb, |
| Potkaisi punaista tuota, | Kicked that red one, |
| Sormella nimittömällä, | With a nameless finger, |
| Vasemmalla varpahalla - - - | With a left toe - - - |
| Päästi sotamiehen miekkoneen, | Released a warrior with his sword |
| Satuloineen orihin, | A stallion with a saddle, |
| Kupehesta kunottaran, | From the root of a beauty, |
| Lapsen vaimon lappiosta - - - | A child from the [?] of a wife - - - |
Well, here it would clearly state, Kave and Turilas, the same person, is the father of Väinämöinen, who was born like described in the poem. However, it's not necessarily that simple.
First of all, the poem could just as well be describing the birth of Väinämöinen himself; after all, it's pretty common in stories for him to have been born already as an old man. And isn't Väinämöinen supposed to be Kaleva's son? So maybe Kave here just means Kaleva. Or any creature, and is not important at all as a word or name.
We probably need to look at the other name used then.
Who is Tursas?Tursas, Turilas and Meritursas all seem to refer to the same... thing. The word very possibly comes from the Germanic þurisaz, meaning a giant. In that case, it doesn't even have to be a name. It can just mean any giant, just like Kave can be any creature. In this sense, Meritursas would specifically mean "sea giant".
Though isn't it quite fitting that Väinämöinen's father is called a tursas, since Kaleva is supposed to be a giant after all! Much to consider here.
Now, I want to tell you more about Tursas in depth. Whether he is Kave or Kaleva, one person, or a name for multiple giants... Let me explain what he/they have done in poems. In addition to the one I already explained above, of course!
The Great OakThere is a story collected from Kainuu/Cajania region stating: There were four maidens and three men, who reaped meadows. Then someone from the North arrived, named Tursas. He is also called "lappalainen", which could mean Sámi, or it could not mean that. But it's a possibility. Other poems also just say that he came from the north, with no mention of "lappalainen". This Tursas burns down all the reaped hay, which of course turns into ashes. These ashes are then sowed, causing the growth of the Great Oak.
So tall it was, it reached the skies and prevented the clouds from moving and the Sun and the Moon from shining. Because of this, people are not able to farm or fish, and thus want to cut down the oak. A tiny man rises from the sea with a golden axe and cuts the oak down. Pieces of it fly around, and out of those, an evil creature creates spears. These spears are the origin of stings (sudden sharp pain).
Details from alternate poems of the same story include: the ashes being sown in Northlands, making the tree similar to a pole holding up the sky dome. Or maybe a world tree of sorts. It is also said that sticks from the tree fall into the underworld lake, and from those, the painful spears are made of. It is also also said in one of them that the man who cut down the tree also came from the North.
Bonus: In a poem collected from an old Finnish diaspora community in Norway (they originate from Savonia), it was in fact Tursas who cut down the Great Oak and set the Sun and the Moon free.
The Nine DiseasesOnce again, from the Kainuu/Cajania region. There was a maiden from the North, a beautiful one at that, who didn't let anyone become her husband. This maiden is likely Louhiatar, a haltija or goddess whose name refers to lovi (the trance state of a shaman). It is then that tursas or Meritursas arrives and gets her pregnant. (Very bad to have children out of wedlock, of course.) She gives birth to ten children, nine of them boys and one girl. The various sons she names after diseases; thus, she has given birth to these diseases themselves.
I will point out that in some versions of this poem, the maiden becomes pregnant when she jump into the sea, and this is when Meritursas makes her pregnant by using waves.
The War GodAccording to old writings from the 1500s to 1700s, Turisas is often mentioned as a god who "gives victory in war". However, this does not appear in old poems. It is said though that in southern parts of Finnish Karelia, it was believed that Turrisas was haunting and banging the drum before the arrival of war. It is also also said that "Turilas" was a giant. So take this as you will.
Some have thorized based on this that Tursas would be the same as Norse Thor or Tyr, but modern research does not support this. As I already said, it is now thought the word is loan from Proto-Germanic þurisaz ("giant").
Afterword"Iku-Turso", as he is often called, is seen as a sea monster or a war god sea monster. In reality, I find him way more interesting! He is clearly a giant, for starters. But is he only one giant? Is he Kaleva, the father of Väinämöinen, born in full battle gear? Or is he a separate entity from the Tursas who caused the growth of the Great Oak? What about Meritursas, he is in the sea and causes the birth of various diseases, are they the same?
When speaking of Väinämöinen's father, he is not portrayed negatively. However, in the other two stories, the Tursas is at times spoken of with negative terms. Once again, something to theorize about, with no clear answers.
Maps to show the locations where the poems are known from
Red border denotes the region the poem is from when the specific location isn't known.


